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Were the Geffen albums that bad?

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musicfan   2011-Jul-27 at 22:05:50
Were the albums that Joni Mitchell recorded for Geffen Records from 1982 to 1991 as bad as some made them out to be or are they underrated? After hearing them, I would have to say that while they weren't quite as good as the work Joni did from 1968-76, there were plently of good tracks.


sweet.bird   2011-Jul-27 at 23:21:23
honestly, i just found 'dog eat dog' and 'wild things run fast' on CD yesterdat afternoon... and was SO excited, just as a kid in a candy store. even though i do LOVE her older, folkier material... i think her geffen material was just severely underrated, and it still is!

i think these were some of her best records... along with 'chalkmark in a rainstorm'
the writing was just amazing!! i just wish we could hear stripped down versions of the songs on these albums, as i'm sure they'd showcase her power, versatility, and talent among those who appeared to gain such popularity and success as hers was "declining"...

i love you joni, you never cease to amaze me!


afriendofspirit   2011-Aug-04 at 21:00:09
I'm personally not a huge fan of Chalk Mark...that being said:

Dog Eat Dog is powerful, potent stuff. It's a little hard to get used to Joni and synth, but the sound is pretty effective and the lyrics are unbelievable. We still live in a commercial culture, and Dog Eat Dog is a wonderful protest against it.

I love Wild Things Run Fast, especially the jazzier outings on it - Moon At The Window, Be Cool, and You Dream Flat Tires especially. Sound-wise, its beautiful, and you can really hear what a talented guitarist Joni is. I think You're So Square was a terrible choice for a single, and if a better song had been released I think the album would've been better received critically and commercially.

Night Ride Home is easily in my top 5 Joni albums. The weaving of the personal and the political/social is expertly crafted - such as the way commercialism is lambasted in a song directed to an individual (The Windfall), or the way child abuse is addressed in a song about a childhood friend (Cherokee Louise). Plus, I particularly love Joni's adaptations of poetry, and Slouching Toward Bethlehem might be the best.

On a related note, I kind of think that the 76-79 albums are really underrated...Hejira gets a lot of attention, but is still considered less than Blue and Court and Spark, which I think is invalid...its on par or better! Don Juan and Mingus also blow me away, but they seem to be ignored!


ghanick   2011-Aug-07 at 07:56:12
All of JM's albums have great tunes, including her ones from the 80's. "Ladies Man" and "Moon at the Window" from WTRF; "Three Great Stimulants" From DED; "My Secret Place" from CMIAR. "Night Ride Home" was, in my opinion, a more fully realized work. It seemed to be coming more from the heart than the preceding three albums. It was a great warm up to "Turbulent Indigo", which, I think, ranks up there with Joni's best. I agree with AfriendofSpirit that Joni's '76- '79 albums are the most underrated, especially "Hejira". I think creatively she was at her peak from '75 - '77. I guess the lukewarm reception to these albums, especially "Hissing" and "Hejira" must have rattled her. "Wild Things" sounded too much like she was trying to be a player again. Her music is way too personal for that. And the fact that George W Bush had "You're So Square" on his I-Pod kind of confirmed that she had lost some of her original spirit when she released this album! No offense, Joni!


ericfenby   2011-Aug-10 at 02:52:11
I need to admit to something, and I feel really guilty about it. Over the last six months I've played no Joni atall, I just couldn't get the vibe. Instead, I sought inspiration from the likes of Kate Bush and Bjork. Then yesterday, I looked at this site and played an interview of Joni from around 1991. She was so forthright about the 'depraved' music buisness, and that her new more 'important' work will always be ignored. I then played Night Ride Home and fell in love all over again......


Shazam33   2011-Nov-21 at 18:57:27
Yes Eric, Night Ride Home did offer a sort homecoming for me; the whole record having a deep impact. Hejira and For the Roses did the same; the whole recording lifted me.
Also, I remember that the first time I heard Paprika Plains, I read the non-spoken words in exactly the time the music interlude lasted. I still think the world of that song.




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» Cosmic dreamer star date June 14 2009 (no responses)     2009-Jun-17 at 02:40.52     
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» " For The Roses ~ (2)     2009-May-27 at 17:52.49     
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» Music only for Woodstck song? (no responses)     2009-May-23 at 19:47.30     
» WBAI-FM BENEFIT Joni Photo 11"x14" signed by Henry Diltz (no responses)     2009-May-22 at 16:30.39     
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» dont step on jonis toes!!!!!!!!!! (1)     2009-May-15 at 10:25.45     
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» Come In From The Cold: On DVD??? (4)     2009-Apr-18 at 06:52.07     
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» What is Joni`s best album? (29)     2009-Apr-11 at 14:04.53     
» Joni References in Motorsport Journalism (2)     2009-Apr-11 at 08:02.43     
» "Will You Take Me as I Am" (3)     2009-Apr-10 at 11:37.45     
» How about some live joni in the uk? (6)     2009-Apr-09 at 12:58.53     
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» Love (4)     2009-Apr-07 at 14:23.51     
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» From Bessie to.... (1)     2009-Apr-04 at 14:10.46     
» "Consider a Donation" (7)     2009-Apr-03 at 12:55.15     
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» Morgellons diesease? (5)     2009-Apr-02 at 15:50.30     
» Is Joni ever gonna come to Spain? (7)     2009-Apr-02 at 09:13.59     

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